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 Is having a cert really important to enter the CG industry? 
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Post Re: Is having a cert really important to enter the industry?
Well, to promote someone from a group of potential candidates having similar kickass works, the chosen person somehow requires an attribute that stands out above the rest to be the clear winner. In your friend's example, both candidates have similar work quality but one has more academic knowledge through the degree that stood out, which may be desired by the boss requiring someone to be a thinker and leader for the organisation. However, then again it depends on the management to place whichever attribute a priority whether skills or qualification. Hence, to get a degree or not will depend on the organisation you work for in determining a pre-requisite for the promotion.

Usually experience is worth more than qualification, for example, two diploma graduates took different routes where one enters the workforce while another pursues a degree. When the degree holder later enters the workforce, his or her diploma counterpart has already amassed enough work experience to be paid higher than the degree one starting to work at entry level. If both are vying for promotion, the one having more experience regardless of qualification is more desired. However, having said that, in your friend's case, both started out the same level producing similar work quality or having the same experience but what made the other stood out is the degree that may have convinced the boss's decision to promote. If your diploma friend has far more experience (even better, a prior supervisory experience on top of the work experience) than the degree holder, I am sure he may be promoted instead.

Therefore, experience takes precedence over qualification and if there is equal level of experience garnered among the candidates, then qualification can be a deciding factor apart from other performance related attributes. Having a degree is by society's norm desirable but not necessary to make it in life, what's important is to achieve something that will make one clearly stands out from the rest.

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Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:13 pm
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Another example. A friend of mine hardly have any qualification. His academic studies is really bad. But he is very creative and talented. Hence he has worked for many big studios through his career .. including Disney and many major projects.

After all these years, he always wanted to be in the supervising role. And finally he was given an opportunity to be a manager in one of the biggest US CG firm. The company hires him for the managing role cos of his experience and portfolio. Not based on his paper.

Now that he is in this position, he is faced with things like office politics, handling business people, tonnes of paper work and many things that a creative person does not like to do. So believe it or not, he is thinking to quit. Why?? He finally realise that creative work is what he loves best. The name and size of the company, the kind of project that he is involved in, the pay , the fame and the title of his position etc... all these do not matter to him anymore. It is the management and the people around him that matters. It is what makes him happy that matters. Life is short. He does not want to drag himself to work everyday. Even though he is working in a CG firm. It is of no difference from working in any Corporate World.

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In other words, a degree can be seen as a short cut (but not a short cut to success) to having some experience, through academic knowledge, over working diploma holders if one has no experience to begin with when entering the workforce. Once in the workforce, the degree holder like everybody else will be judged of their worth by their levels of experience and performance. Then again, it comes down to each individual whether to gauge their work fulfillment based on monetary terms through promotions or level of happiness through personal work enjoyment regardless of organisational hierarchy as what David has duly pointed out.

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Post Re: Is having a cert really important to enter the industry?
Thank you Norl and David and everyone else for the interesting inputs regarding this. It hasn't come accross to me as a subject to really worry over yet since my priority is more of building up my skills right now and be more productive. Still, these are great feedbacks that would help me anticipate what might come.

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Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:17 pm
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yeah, thanks to everyone.
provides alot of great insight to this!
thanks again

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Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:20 pm
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Post Re: Is having a cert really important to enter the industry?
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4. Starting your own company
This is another way to move yourself up. Be your own boss. But remember one thing. Business and art don't mix. So either one. You can't be both.



Conclusion:
Most of the stuff that I discussed above from 1 to 4 do not required a cert. Life is short. So you need to figure out what do you want in life. What makes you happy and yet make a decent living. Then go for it. As an artist, we need to be creative and think out of the box. No need to do things the conventional way to make it big. There are many ways to become successful. And not everything is measured in terms of wealth as in $$$$. Be creative. Dare to be different.

Hope it helps.

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It's not impossible to mix art and business but it is hard. You'll have to decide how much time you allocate to each area.
Handling people is an art and teaching people to seriously really think for themselves in what they really want to achieve and what their goals are is even harder.

Not everything is measured by material wealth, however everything needs money. How much you earn now, if no change or steps are taken to ensure progress in your line of work will lead to the same if not, less income.

What are known conventional ways are binding people down to the spot of "We need Such and Such in order to be able to carve a niche"

Being a self-funded group atm and working towards registering my company, I don't claim to have more experience in biz. What I do know is I am helping artists achieve a passive level of income instead of actively changing jobs to earn more or just to evade taxes.

With the expansion of the Internet, Artists not bound by conventional thought are advancing into several arenas.
For those interested in Porn, there's RedLightCenter
For those interested in Creative Outlets, there's Second Life, IMVU, Entropia Universe
For those interested in Business and Creative sublets - Twinity, Vastpark, OpenSocial and several more serves.
These are Realtime outlets and has been my passion for the past couple of years.

What I'm trying to introduce here is for those who feel stiffled and would like to try other ares of focus but remain in the same industry with less need to work once and let the company own all copyrights and licensing grants. Working for yourself is not much of a bad deal.

Handling people is an acquired skill as much as Art can be technically an acquired skillset. It's all a matter of choices

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Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:15 pm
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Post Re: Is having a cert really important to enter the industry?
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Thank you Norl and David and everyone else for the interesting inputs regarding this. It hasn't come accross to me as a subject to really worry over yet since my priority is more of building up my skills right now and be more productive. Still, these are great feedbacks that would help me anticipate what might come.

Hampsty


Just some food for thought:
Productive for yourself or Productive for your Employer?
Productive for the Team?

Who do you want to be responsible for? Yourself or your Employer?
That's my question.

Nothing wrong with being employed, I'm just sick of the "train thyself to be marketable and employable" mentality.

Working with a team tends to our psychological Social needs. Working in a company is one of the best places to
1) Learn handling/mixing with people
2) Earn active income (for as long as your contract states)
3) Get to travel and work overseas (provided you are in such shoes)

If you find that you always complain, fret, worry about ownself's current situation, think about what is going wrong, why are you being negative in a job/career/occupation you thought you loved?

A Job is (Just Obey Boss)
A Career is something you carve out for yourself
An Occupation is something that eats away your time by occupying yourself with too much work

Like David, think of what you do as a career and plan it out. Plan your Career.

Here's a little digest:
We often plan our Weddings but fail to plan our Marriages...

(We often plan on how to get into XYZ coy, but fail to plan how we wish to advance in that field)

Hope my 1 pence of thoughts are worth anything to anyone.


So, if a certification of "Identity" is needed in your plans for your career, go ahead. Many have commented and shared their opinions and assessments.

Education trains you for Employment, it can brainwash you to only be able to look at "earning a living", demands your undivided attention on one matter. It also trains your faculty for thinking, but no one can solve their problems with the same thinking that created it. (Edisen had to change his thoughts countless times before the lightbulb worked)

Remember that you yourself are responsible for your outcome in any way it is.
What is happening to you now, if left unchanged will remain the same forever.

We're just coming to 2008, now is a good time to think good, think hard and change some old thinking.


Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:24 pm
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Post Re: Is having a cert really important to enter the CG industry?
Hi

Before anyone wants to reply to EternaSky and heads the topic towards entrepreneurship or setting up your own company, can I suggest to start a new thread at DISCUSSION area. We are fine with the discussion as long as it is CG industry related.

This thread focus more towards advising talents whether a cert is necessary to get into the industry. Just want to prevent the thread from moving off topic.

Sorry for being so picky. :P Just trying to keep the forum neat and tidy. Thank you for your kind understanding.


Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:34 pm
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Post Re: Is having a cert really important to enter the CG industry?
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=372592
some old post on CGtalk. a relevant topic to go along with this one.

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Post Re: Is having a cert really important to enter the CG industry?
hi guys, im a newcomer.. n this website is really cool!

i need some suggestion here..
im a malaysian n currently studying in lasalle college of art..
im taking interior design course(coz lasalle's animation course is kind of "art".. n i don really like it..)

n i heard digipen has come n i hav already gotten in..
but the main point is should i quit lasalle n goto digipen?
coz the tuition fees in lasalle costed me 15k, if i go to digipen it will cost me more..
15k + 81k = 96+k to pursue my bachelor degree in sgp.. n tat sum is without accommodation..

so i hope u guys can give me some suggestion...
is the bachelor degree in animation really important to plunge into animation industry?
wad if i get a diploma in interior design n pursue a certificate of computer animation in sheridan college(well-known n 1yr cert available)?
will i still be able to work in animation industry(some cool studio like lucas or ubisoft) n get promoted?


hope to hear from u guys soon..

chunhong


Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:28 am
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